Caesar’s Scrunchy is back once again with EVEN MOAR visual beauty! Today, she’s talking about how Catching Fire portrayed the way Cinna left his mark on more than just The Mockingjay!
I decided to fill the time waiting for “Mockingjay” by watching “Catching Fire” again, and noticed that Effie Trinkett was wearing a necklace (in Katniss’ wedding dress/Mockingjay dress scene) that looked like arrowheads. Then I noticed Katniss’ earrings when her dress transforms become arrowheads too, and then… there were arrowheads (triangles) ALL OVER the movie!
And they were worn only by Katniss’ allies, whether she knew they were her allies or not.
Then I decided that because, as Effie says, Cinna is the most influential designer in the Capitol, it makes sense that he would put these arrowheads subliminally in his designs, and that others would copy him.
Check it out – these pages show Cinna’s influence, with tons of arrowheads (triangles) throughout. I found these images from basic Google web searches (I don’t own any of the photos or anything else– it all belongs to Lionsgate and Suzanne Collins, ok?)
VICTORY TOUR COSTUMING
PRESIDENT SNOW AND HIS FOLLOWERS
But trust me: it’s tons of fun watching “Catching Fire” again, and seeing if you can find who else wears the arrowheads…and who doesn’t!
The Rebels are at it again, and the famdom is buzzing with anticipation for something, anything– seriously, give us something! This is our natural state of being though, playing the waiting game until we’re about to burst forth and have kittens, or just go full on troll-under-the-bridge (you know who you are!).
The rebels have hacked thecapitol.pn’s Twitter as well as left a snazzy hidden message on Thecapitol.pn website, and not only have they done it once– nope they’ve done it twice in the last two days, and that can mean only a few things: We’re about to get more viral marketing promotional material thrown at us at odd times of the day, and well– I think that’s about it. But what ever could it be? I know what I want it to be, I know what a few of my friends want it to be, and I think I know what every other Hunger Games fan on the planet wants it to be.
Like the last propo address from the illustrious President Snow showed us the Rebels are highly capable of dropping a nice, shiny surprise on us. If only for a matter of a few short seconds. But that’s what we live for, right? Those ever so brief moments of excitement when a familiar, and beloved character’s face takes up residence on our screen, big and little. We’re over the moon seeing Peeta, and his pants– of course his pants. And we’re tickled to see Johanna in her gravity defying gown, and yes– we’re even pleased seeing President Snow on his thrown, playing the resolute, and distinguished dictator. I think we’re chilled to the bone though when we see glimpses of District 13 however, Beetee better yet. Because even if you’re not a fan of the story, or the over all delivery of the novel Mockingjay, you have to admit on some level that when you read it initially you thought it would make a killer film, if it ever was made into one that is. And look at us now, a fandom so big, so vast, and so ready to see not one, but two films made out of the novel so many of us have been up in arms about. We’re ready though, we’re ready for more than Beetee flicker across our screens, so ready to relish in more than the ridiculousness of Peeta’s pants, or the sassy stance of one of our favorite victors.
By all means give us The Mockingjay, by all means.
Tick tock, tick tock.
Them There Eyes
Today we have a great guest post by Satsuma on a topic that brings out a lot of passion in the fandom.
Okay, first things first. I confess that it wasn’t just the (rather scanty) Mockingjay news so far that brought this question to my mind.
No, I must credit the inspiration for this topic, of how much romance is appropriate for a sci-fi, action-packed “young adult” tale to, of all things, LEGOs — the LEGO ninjas who star in the Cartoon Network show, “Ninjago: Masters of Spinjitzu”. Think LEGO Star Wars mixed with kung-fu. For a series of 22-minute LEGO commercials, the show can be surprisingly deep; there is one Big Bad Palpatine/Sauron-like villain, but other antagonists are quite humanized, including Darth -er, Lord Garmadon, or the snake-like Serpentine clans, who actually have legitimate reasons to be angry at mankind.
The show is targeted mostly at young boys, and the 4 ninjas (Kai, Jay, Zane, and Cole) are all male, as is the Chosen One, Lloyd. But there is one significant female character; Nya, Kai’s sister. Nya is a mecha wiz who dresses up in a robo-Samurai-suit to fight evil, and often bests the boys at their game.
Seasons 1 and 2 of the show had a touch of innocent romance between Nya and Jay, but this was far from the focus. But suddenly, in season 3, Nya wound up in a love triangle between Jay and fellow ninja Cole. A love interest appeared for Zane as well, and it even turned out that Lord Garmadon and his brother, Sensei Wu, had both wooed Padm – er, Misako in the past.
Well, the fan reaction to all this romance, was, essentially, “ewwww”! Not just from the young boys, but the tween girls who were the likely target of it. Many female fans of the show were annoyed that Nya was turned into yet another Bella-like ingenue torn between two suitors, as opposed to a heroine in her own right who just happened to be dating another ensemble character.
And so this brings me to Mockingjay, and the debates over how much romance will, and should, be in the films. It seems the fan consensus for THG was that one of the film’s major flaws was how the K/P ship was not only downplayed, but done so in a way that shorted Peeta as a character. For the CF movie, I was mostly satisfied both with the “balance” between K/P and K/G and the overall amount of romance , but I certainly recall some Everlarkers griping “no plant book scene”, “no rooftop scene”, or “that beach kiss was NOT passionate enough” (I actually agree with the last one; it was cute, but not one that made me think Katniss was having sexy feelings down below, the way the book scene certainly did.)
What will we see in the MJ films, though? Certainly, two films give the film-makers extra time for romance, but that doesn’t mean all the book scenes will make it in. Some of the extra time will be given to added scenes, such as battles, or exposition scenes between Snow and his new adviser, Antonius, and we’ll likely get a peek at Coin’s machinations as well. So in keeping with the general trends, I forecast some romantic scenes being edited, cut down, or merged with others.
Again, the “balance” between K/P and K/G will be crucial, especially given Peeta’s absence in most of Part 1, and the difficulty even SC herself had with sinking K/G not only as a romance, but as a friendship as well (I refer, again, to the many “post-MJ” fanfics that feature a K/G reconciliation at least as friends.)
What I think fans also should keep in mind, is that the MJ book itself was a much less “romantic” a book than certainly CF, or even THG. To me, even before Peeta reappeared, MJ made it obvious that the only potential K/G had, even without the clashes in values, was a “lifeboat camaraderie” type friendship with some “hurt/comfort” thrown in. (And to be fair, K/P has these aspects as well, but goes beyond it in a way K/G didn’t.) Note that SC herself had to be nudged by her editor into writing “more of the Peeta-Katniss-Gale love triangle”. (Source)
Now, this little tidbit makes me highly suspect that the very Twilight-ish “who will she choose” scene between Peeta and Gale in Tigris’s shop was added on by SC in response to her editor’s suggestions. Considering how the films so far have tended to cut out the “cheesier” romantic scenes and lines, I think that if we do see the scene, it will be quite cut down, though Gale’s “she’ll choose who she can’t survive without” comment may be left in. And it certainly may, as Katniss’s later musings about “what I need to survive” show much about the characters of all Love Triangle Trio members. Also, in the books, Katniss only reflects on this comment internally. Certainly, book!Katniss actually verbalizing her complicated feelings to Peeta (or to Gale) would have been quite OOC. But movie!Katniss is not quite as introverted (a change I certainly prefer to cheesy voice-overs), and it will be interesting to see how the movie converts her thoughts to actual dialogue. In this way, I can see the MJ movies having a more “romantic” component than the books.
My own take on the series is that, romance is certainly a large component of it; certainly more than the Y-7 rated Ninjago. Not only do we have the central love triangle, we also have Mr. M, Mrs. E and Mr. E, Annie and Finnick, and so on. I certainly don’t agree with the extreme anti-romance “Katniss was incapable of loving anyone but Prim, she just chose Peeta because she was stuck with him and did what she could to survive” theory. But in the end, it is NOT a romance in terms of the genre. So I’m not personally going to wait with baited breath for each book kiss to appear on the scene.
I think SC meant for the romance to take a back seat in MJ, and only be established towards the end, in the context of not only two hot bodies going at it, but a long-lasting relationship that produces children, to provide a ray of hope at the end. I also hope the films convey the idea that the “choice” between Peeta and Gale wasn’t just a choice between two men (unlike Nya’s choice, as her suitors are both “good guys” who pretty much look the same except for wig and costume) but one between two different ways of life. Can movie!Katniss become one of the few pop culture heroines who isn’t JUST a “romantic” or “action” heroine, but transcends both?
One can only hope.
Our latest guest post comes from the hilariously tag-named Caesar’s Scrunchy, who has a few awesome points about the relationship between Katniss and Peeta (with visuals!)
You know you’re desperate for more “Mockingjay” action when you’re willing to do a school writing assignment in the summertime, which wasn’t assigned and will never be graded! But we’ve got to do something to pass the time waiting for the next propo, right?
So I’ve done a “compare and contrast” assignment just like in school, where we take two different things – two poems, two books, two films, etc. – and see what is different and what is similar about them. These assignments aren’t always fun, but when we do them, we can learn a lot more about each one by looking more closely at them. And it can be especially fun if you compare “The Hunger Games” and “Catching Fire” movies (because what else are we going to do
besides watch these two fave movies, amiright?!) The books have these parallels as well, but that REALLY feels like a school assignment, and doing it this way, I got to watch the movies again as “research.”
In some cases, the exact opposite from what happened in HG happened in CF (I noted those with the arrows). I used to think the first two books were a bit similar, but the more I worked on this, I appreciated how hard the filmmakers worked to give us an amazing number of little details that created great symmetry between the two movies. Or, to quote Haymitch, “Genius!” When you look at the comparisons, I hope you agree.
If you like this, feel free to watch the movies again (as if anyone needs an invitation?) and see if you can find more contrasts and comparisons. I wonder what would happen if we added Gale to the mix? Or compared Seneca Crane vs. Plutarch? Or HG Buttercup vs. CF Buttercup? J
PS – I own none of the images here, they are just for illustration purposes to show each point. AND: this is the first thing I’ve ever written for VictorsVillage.com, and I hope you like it.
COMPARE AND CONTRAST: THE HUNGER GAMES AND CATCHING FIRE
THE BALANCE BETWEEN THEM
We love Lionsgate, but sometimes these guys just set themselves up!
Behold, Capitol Concerns– an open forum on TheCapitol.PN for the questions and concerns of Hunger Games fans as the release of Mockingjay approaches. As if they didn’t know! As if they haven’t seeeeeen! Of course, the response was exactly what you’d expect.
In all fairness, a few fans tried to express their legitimate concerns about the movie:
Or made snarky commentary on the teaser:
But mainly, as @antovolko pointed out, this happened:
There was even one fan who avoided the “T” word in hopes that skirting around the topic may get a different result:
Maybe it’s just us, but we’re thinking that The Capitol knows what the concerns of the people are. The people are pretty singular-minded. The #FreePeeta trend was a lovely trend and will surely be a concern for some, but most of us have read the books and that worry for hijacked!Peeta will be quickly overridden by knowing what happens in the end.
Much like Plutarch says in the end of Mockingjay, people are fickle and soon forgot the past– including teasers released a few days ago that don’t contain actual film footage. Not that we don’t appreciate the first haunting peek at Peeta gone Capitol, but whetting our appetites has just made us more hungry than ever. And then they opened the floodgates!
We applaud the brave citizens who have made their concerns known, but maybe we should try should try a more subtlety? We need a secret code for trailer or something, right? We’re gonna go with SOCK MONKEY.
Maybe if we stop talking about it, it’ll reverse-psychology the fuck outta the marketing team and they’ll be like “They don’t care anyone! Release it, release it nooooow!”
Meanwhile, We’re All Like “WHERE THE HELL IS THE SOCK MONKEY?!”
The Girl With The Pearl
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This week we finally got the teaser trailer, and while everyone and their imaginary friend was having kittens over how creepy President Snow is, or how creepy Peeta’s turn of the head was, I was having a gay ol’ time deciphering the thing the President was sitting his creepy ass down in. Yep, I was doing my usual thing, analyzing the scenery, ’cause um– it’s fun! Also, nine times out of ten it tells us something insightful that otherwise we’d all just be ignorant of, which is fine if you’re into that whole ignorance being blissful thing.
I like to call myself an amateur antique furniture expert, ’cause my stack of reference books only allow me to say amateur. Anyway, since a vast majority of the furniture President Snow surrounds himself with are antiques, or amalgamations of antique styles and designs– there’s a lot to explore! Fun stuff, huh? You’re damn right it is! Where would we be without history?! Oh yeah, Ikea. Sorry, if you’re into Swedish style furniture, it’s okay, I don’t judge! However, if the only tools you own are the tiny Allen wrenches that come with Ikea kits, then I have a problem– actually, you do.
The chair though, oh my– the chair! I saw a picture of it first of course, and quickly had a time taking out my books, and trying to find a match, or something that closely resembles the pristine, white chair. Second off, it’s not an exact replica of anything that’s still in existence from the past, it’s like I said above, an amalgamation of styles and designs. And the styles it is it this, William and Mary, with a dash of Charles II, the eras are at the tail end of the Baroque period, 1680s-90s in time frame– only you’d never ever find a white washed arm-chair like Snow’s gracing anyone’s rooms. And that my dear friends is what makes it so very Capitol. But what does it mean?! Why a William and Mary style arm-chair with sky-high finials?! Um,’cause they can. The thing about the Capitol is they like to take the commonplace, the fur shrug for example and give it a jab of crazy, and whammo– fashion personified times a million-zillion! In the case of their furniture however, the white washed armchair is another example of the Capitol taking what was once common, and turning it into something kind of sort of scary. And I don’t think for a second the choice of the thick white washing is an accident. Purity is one of the basic meanings behind the color, but I’m going to take it a few other steps down the line of meanings, “the Capitol are the good guys.” Why? ‘Cause the good guys where the white hats, and the bad guys where the black hats, this is what so many myths, folktales, and fairy tales have told us over the last millenia or more! Reverse psychology is such a good propaganda tool! And to top off my hypotheses, Snow is the King of Panem, only he’s titled himself “President”, he looks, at least to me, like a chess piece on the white end of the chessboard. And then there’s Peeta, well what else could he be but “a piece in their game”.
Peeta’s a Pawn, dressed in white, and standing at the ready to serve his King.
“Unlike other pieces, the pawn does not capture in the same direction as it otherwise moves. A pawn captures diagonally, one square forward and to the left or right. In the diagram to the left, the white pawn may capture either the black rook or the black knight.” – W
Them There Eyes
In case you’re like us and you fell asleep before the release of TheCapitol.PN’s latest advertisement, IT’s HEEEEEEERE!
We dare you to try and hold back your Katniss-style screech of “PEETAAAA!” as you watch President Snow rally the districts with a special guest by his side!
A Note Regarding Our Trailer Contest
Our trailer contest defines the trailer as “the first montage of footage from Mockingjay Part 1″. Based on this criteria, this release DOES NOT COUNT toward the trailer contest! If you haven’t done so already, you can make your guess from the actual trailer release date for a chance to win a poster signed by Josh Hutcherson, Sam Claflin, Jena Malone and Jeffrey Wright here.
As the filming of Mockingjay Part 2 winds down, there’s a lot of fan emotion swirling about online. Of the “IT’S ALMOST OVER AND I CAN’T” variety. And true, once they stop filming there will be no more chances of paparazzi or fan set pics. And whatever they ended up filming will be IT (notwithstanding any reshoots). But I’m not really feeling the sadness right now, probably because there’s another year and a half to go before any of us can see the last movie, and because they’ve just barely started promoting Mockingjay Part 1. No, my feelings are the mainly the continued angst of “I WANT A DAMN TEASER TRAILER.”
But I understand the anxiety that comes with the knowledge that they’ve already filmed most everything, so that’s it, that’s the movie. And what if it doesn’t include the stuff that I want to see and then I am sad forever? Nina Jacobson took pity on a fan (and in a larger sense, all of us) with a tweet this week about the ending and whether we will see the epilogue/Katniss and Peeta’s kids.
@cursed_n_jinxed don’t worry
— nina jacobson (@ninajacobson) May 21, 2014
So I suppose that we can take that to mean that yes, the epilogue and those kiddos will be a part of the movie. I think it would be a massive mistake to leave it out. Knowing that Katniss is still utterly haunted by her experiences as a teenager yet has been able to forge a life and family with Peeta is critically important. The filmmakers are smart people. I’m sure they understand this. Why are we so worried that they would leave it out?
The amount of anxiety about whether this would be included in the movie is interesting. I think it comes from some of the failings of the first movie of building Katniss and Peeta’s relationship (the badly executed tossing-of-the-bread scene, the truncated cave scenes, cutting away to Gale during the cave kiss, the last few scenes in the arena, Peeta not losing his leg). Choices had to be made, and they hurt the development of Katniss and Peeta’s relationship and their overall character development.
A lot of ground was made up in Catching Fire. Somehow the filmmakers were able to take a huge amount of plot and new characters and fit everything that we really wanted and needed in 2.5 hours. And even where things were shifted or altered, there seemed to be a desire to retain fan-favorite lines or moments. So you have “Stay With Me.” “Always” occurring on the train because most of the post-Victory Tour District 12 scenes were cut. Fine, at least you found a way to include it that made sense for the characters. Wrongs were righted. And it was good.
So with the same filmmakers on board for both Mockingjay movies as Catching Fire, we should have a level of comfort that, yes, they get it and they are on the same page with us. All will be well. They won’t pull some major change at the end and leave us all wondering why we went on this ride with them for years just to be burned at the end.
So thank you Nina, for telling us not to worry. We trust you to make it absolutely perfect.
But until we see it, we’re all still going to worry.
It’s Katniss Everdeen’s birthday, but we’re all being spoiled with presents!
New photos AND video from the Mockingjay Part 2 set made their way online over the past day, giving up our first bits of Mockingjay related news in PRETTY MUCH FOREVER.
It started with photos of Jennifer Lawrence, Liam Hemsworth, and a whole bunch of Capitol extras on the streets of Paris. Observe!
This bit started pretty hilariously. Media outlets shared plenty of headlines similar to “Jennifer Lawrence and Liam Hemsworth hide from paparazzi and/or hide costumes behind overcoats!” Of course, we’re sure that like us, most of you noticed immediately that THOSE COATS ARE THEIR COSTUMES because this is the scene were Katniss and Gale disguise themselves to blend into the crowd evacuating to Capitol Square.
Seriously, did they think Liam Hemsworth just happened to have a little shredded leather number that makes him look like Andre the Giant handy?! And Jen’s coat has an over-the-shoulder cape situation. C’MON NOW!
Spoiler-ish in nature as it may be, we’re thrilled to get a first look at the fashion and Capitol “look” behind this film. It’s definitely going to be hard (perhaps impossible) to meet our Trish Summerville standards, but Kurt and Bart are doing well so far!
It seems the filming continued to take place in a pretty public area, because it wasn’t long after that that we got video of the actors, this time with the addition of Josh Hutcherson and Natalie Dormer:
And… SWEET BABY JESUS! WHAT HAPPENED TO JOSH HUTCHERSON’S HAIR?!
Peeta’s always been slightly blonder than you average blond man, but never has it been such an invasive shade of straight up yellow. Blonds don’t look like that! Did the Capitol somehow permanently fuck with his hair color during hijacking? Do you think it’s just the poor lighting? Seriously, somebody help us understand this. It hurts our eyeeeeees!
Now we need promo photos and video just to confirm that his hair is not as yellow as we think it is. For serious!
On another note, damn you Natalie Dormer for being one of like four women in the world who can rock the half-shaved head look! You’re unknowingly encouraging people other than you four to make terrible hairstyle decisions!
Sure, this is paparazzi info and not anything official. But hopefully now that SOME of the movie details are already out there, Lionsgate will actually feel compelled to release some quality looks into the film! We may not be that lucky, but a girl can hope.
Wishing For The Beginning Of The End Like A Dummy,
The Girl With The Pearl